Managing Entrepreneurship and Home Life with Patrick Kirby

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[Intro] Welcome to Easy Style with Sami. I’m your host Sami Bedell-Mulhern. Each episode, I invite a friend, family member or colleague or just someone I’ve met on this journey called life to come and share their personal style and approach to business, parenting, life and everything in between. You’ll hear motivational and inspirational stories that will help you refine and build your own personal style. Remember, style is easy when it comes from within.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Hello, hello, everybody. Welcome to Easy style with Sami. I am so excited to have my friend and colleague and business collaborator here on the podcast today, Patrick Kirby, thank you so much for being here. I’ve read over you. I’m great. You are our first gentleman interview II interview II. Yeah, I’m super excited, and very excited for this conversation, talking just about that blend of parenthood and entrepreneurship and partnership with your spouse and communicating and trying to figure out how to make all of the things happen when you have two driven individuals in the household. But before we kind of jump into that, Patrick, why don’t you share a little bit about yourself, who you are, and how we know each other?

[Patrick Kirby] Sure. So I’m Patrick Kirby. I’m the founder of do good, better. We’re a consulting firm here in Fargo, North Dakota, and I help nonprofits small and medium sized, suck less at fundraising. I got my journey out of college, I started fundraising for my old high school, I went to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. I did a five year stint as the CEO of the and Carlsen Center here in Jamestown, North Dakota, which is this wonderful facility that helps individuals and young adults with developmental disabilities and delay and I got the consulting bug, after helping a whole bunch of small nonprofits kind of figure their crap out. And I was like, Man, if I can just have this light bulb moment in a bottle, and I could just have this every single day, I would do it. And then I figured out a way to do it. And I did it. And that is what I do now, for a number of differences in the you and I were an interesting business couple is because it’s there’s very few times we bumped into somebody who is got the same sort of brain when it comes to not only like helping people and and sort of working in the small nonprofit space. But I have this sort of same, like kind of ridiculous sense of humor and the same sort of. So it’s bizarre, sort of working together. We’ve got a couple of things in the chamber side and have done way too many podcasts to count and have the life.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Yeah, well. And I think it’s really interesting, because there’s been a lot of talk on this podcast about just having conversation listening, like showing up without expectation. And that’s 100% how we met like a colleague, somebody who’s not even like a strong colleague in my world, just somebody that I was connected to randomly said, hey, you need Patrick to speak at your event, you responded right away. And then like ever since then it’s just been like, constantly do this project. Let’s do this project, you want to work on this project. Let’s do this.

[Patrick Kirby] It’s funny. And again, I love I love that I love where we are business wise, where you get to connect with so many individuals. And I think that was one of the cool things about the pandemic. There are very few of them. One of the cool things or the pandemic is when you got to meet people you would have never met before or had zero reason to connect with in your regular old space and life. But we had built these online presence and we had sort of done some of these virtual events and poof. Now we’re now we talk like multiple times a week,

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] multiple times a week. We have lots of projects.

[Patrick Kirby] Everywhere. Yeah, yep. Okay, well,

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] so here’s what I want to talk about today. Because your social media handle is fundraising dad on Tik Tok. I don’t know how active you are on Tik Tok these days. But I think on Instagram too, on a couple of different places, right? You have fundraising, or fundraising debt? Yeah. And I love it. Because it’s just this perfect marriage of kind of what your priorities are in life and how you want to show up in this world. And you’re just goofy and funny and silly and very real about what it’s like to be a parent of young kids. Your kids are three of them all in elementary school. Yeah.

[Patrick Kirby] Yep, they are 11 And five, it is a busy household, if you

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] will. Yeah. Well, and that’s one of the other things that I’ve noticed with the pandemic as well is with more people working from home, where typically you hear conversations from the moms being like, Okay, well, I have to stay home my kids sick or I have to do this. Like I was noticing more and more calls with some of the male counterpoints that I kind of parts that I was working with saying the same thing. It was kind of really nice to hear, to not just show up in meetings and feel like I’m the one who’s like always having to struggle with the kid stuff, but that the dads that are working from home now too, are stepping into that role a little bit more

[Patrick Kirby] out of the pandemic. I just gotten my big boy office, right so My wife decided that I had enough paperwork on the kitchen counter that I needed to leave. And, and so I got an office and a couple of months before the pandemic hit. So we had this really interesting luxury of both of us were working from home, you know, they, she had her office closed, and I had this. So we would just ping back and forth half days. So I would go in the morning, and she’d go in the afternoon, and I’d go back and watch the kids. And that was just kind of a nice, nice little break so that we wouldn’t necessarily go insane while managing kids at the same time. And we’ve navigated that now, where we just have replaced post school, us being home one day, alternating throughout the week. So we’ve just kind of carved out the time that way. So it was more of a matter of necessity and like I have an office, you don’t have to be in the basement and listen to the wrangling of the three children up there. actually work together. So that was it was actually nice, forcing us to schedule out. And then that just became a regular habit. So you know, we alternate days when we’re sort of prepping dinner we alternate is we’re picking up and making sure that the kids are up from school, it was just a force of habit that we’ve just continued this entire time.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] So how do you kind of structure your weeks because the where Patrick and I are very similar in in what we love to do for work. We are very different when it comes to calendaring structure, and to do lists, which I think is is part of the reason why we work so well together on some of these projects, because we both kind of keep each other in check. But like what does that look like for you and your household? Then as you’re planning your week, like are you sitting down and saying well, this week I have heavy workload next week. I don’t have so much like is it just kind of a give and take based off of because she works on some pretty big projects as well.

[Patrick Kirby] Yeah, she’s she’s, you know, corporate like your your hubby’s, very corporate, corporate heavy. I get most of my stuff done in the morning. So I’m most I’m most agile, my brain works before like one in the afternoon. So I’ve taken a lot of the morning pieces. So I’ll get up super early, I’ll either go to the gym, and I’ll come back and I’ll make all the kids breakfast again about the door. She just needs to not talk to people until she’s

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] just part of knowing who you are, yeah, 100%,

[Patrick Kirby] I’m ready to talk and have full conversations with people. And that seems to work with three children who just want nothing to do with talk. So. So that’s the morning routine. And then I’ll just go and work for the day. And then we can alternate off in the afternoon. And it’s just that’s how it is done. whenever something comes up. Like for example, yesterday, I was asked to do a to host a radio show here locally. So I go down to the studio and Mondays are my day in the afternoon to be home with kids. And prep dinner. Had to flip it today. So today, my whole day got flipped back where I do and so we’re just constantly, you know, doing this or constantly on each other’s calendars. So this is any place that we’re going or doing. We just get it on the calendar. Because if it’s not in that, then it doesn’t exist. And we’ve had that moments where, hey, I have to make this appointment I got you. It’s here, I can’t move this and, and trying to do your best to know that everything is movable. I think that’s the thing that I even struggle with to that even in my mornings, which I just if I don’t get through a morning where I’m not interrupted with work stuff, I kind of get a little frazzled. And I have to remind myself often that everything is movable, there’s nothing outside of maybe there’s nothing really you can’t move. It’s hard for me to say out loud, it’s hard for me to do. And then I do it, it’s fine.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Well, I think it’s being in touch with what your non negotiables are like, you know, the kids have sports practices, you know, that they have to get to school, like, you know, like there’s certain things that are harder to move at that are bigger priorities for you. So I think it’s really being honest with yourself about what’s the non negotiable and then letting it go. And I’m with you like it’s hard to move things. But no, nobody cares. They’re like, yeah, that’s totally fine,

[Patrick Kirby] has been most important. And again, this has been such a weird winter here in flyover country where we have so many snow days, and it’s always constantly snowing at school, and canceled and close. So my entire week is usually just shifting meetings from one place to another and everyone does it and you think that you’re like the most special one where everybody’s really interested in your meeting? No, they aren’t. There is excited meetings, as you are about canceled meetings and every fancy and written rule that nobody seems to be talking about, about how everybody doesn’t want to go to a meeting and the sense of relief and Oh, thank God, I don’t have to go to that even though you like a person who’s like I don’t want to right now we’re back in my day that I don’t have. And that’s I think the interesting thing about both working from home and having dual parents of overworking is that the value of time is so much more than anything else that’s ever been which is bizarre because we spent my had all the time together during the pen, have you think you’d want some freedom? But it’s that’s the most valuable thing that we have now it’s the most valuable resource that I have in my calendar is just a block of time.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Yeah, well, okay. And I like that you brought this up time and like the time we spend together, and I think now it’s more about quality, like, how can we spend that quality time. And I think it’s hard as entrepreneurs as business owners, like pretty much everybody who’s been on this pod most I think 99% of the people that have been on this podcast are like us, and that they went from like a regular job to kind of running their own business. And then we know we’ve had lots of conversation about the Hustle and Flow and the slow down and the ramp up of things that happen in our cycle, like when we’re planning for a big event, or a summit or something versus when we’re just in regular maintenance mode. But the hardest thing, and I know you and I both struggle with this is how to shut down like I had trained my husband to stop saying, Are you did you get everything done? As opposed to Are you done for the day? Because just him saying, at the end of the day, did you get everything done, all of a sudden, I’m like, holy crap, I didn’t do this that like it’s never all done. And because you have an office at home or on your phone, like it’s always with you, there’s always that temptation to do more. So this is a work in progress. I know for both of us, but how do you kind of wind down so that you can be in the present in the moment when it is family time,

[Patrick Kirby] I probably suck at this the most. We think about it, and that and that’s probably my biggest absolute struggle is turning off and shutting down and putting my phone down, it’s always there. And I can do stuff all the time. And I think about stuff all the time. So I it’s a lot of it is purposeful. A lot of it is my wife, saying it over and over and over again, to the point of like overly frustrated or frustration, like her number one personality trait that I admire is her ability to just get on me all the time about that. Just heavily drinking, I guess I don’t know what whatever the reaction is to like just me not getting it over and over again. And it is it’s constant work. To say I would be good at it is a is not great at all, I do try to just shut down the computer that that was number one, if you learned everything, it was just shutting it off, that the phone was a thing that just kept buzzing, and then you just put that away into the other room. And then it’s really just concentrating on the dinner hour or the schedule. So I have if I can, if I can just cook dinner, I can just get my brain away from work, right. So I constantly try to cook, I constantly try to like just pick up and clean, I’m trying to distract myself with domestic, you know, household things that try to be a super contributing member of the household, then that distracting moment from all the work stuff that I know I have to do, or I think I have to do. That’s the other thing too, right? Where you and I probably suffer the most is we think we have to do it by 10 o’clock at night when nobody else is worried about this except for us. That kind of stick in my brain a lot where like nobody’s answering this email until 8am. Tomorrow morning, I have time. And yet we as entrepreneurs are always thinking about whatever that next thing is. And if we’re not on time that we’re always confused. So just that’s another thing. You just have to remind yourself all the time and I’m just constantly learning about how to do it or get different tactics All this adds just enough. Yeah.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Well, because my thing was always like, if somebody reaches out to me and says that they want to schedule a meeting or book something or talk to me, I felt like I needed to book it within 24 hours. Right? Like, if I don’t get it on the calendar right away, they’re gonna be upset with me, blah, blah, blah. And then I started connecting with some of my other colleagues who are like, No, we just booked things out like two weeks ahead, like, I’m like you can you can do that. And that was a game changer for me. And I have had never had anybody say, oh, that doesn’t work for me. Like I’ve never had anybody say that to me. Because I was scheduling myself so full that I couldn’t actually get work done, which is what was pushing me now I’m not a night person. So after eight o’clock, there is no work being done. But like on the weekends, I would try to like get all these things done. And it’s just like some of those tweaks that you can do during the work day can help alleviate some of those pressures.

[Patrick Kirby] What you also almost have to think to client side, they’re going to contact you but they don’t have a decision tree for the next 30 days. So as as quickly as you can get the meeting great. Any of your hard work that’s going to scramble is still going to sit on the shelf until they are in the mode to decide anyway they’re in this sort of there’s no desperation you know, when they’re desperate for something for sure.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] And you can but when you but when you plan things out accordingly, then when you do have those clients or those situations that are Desperate, you can more easily work them in and help them out in that in that pitch without completely disrupting career life.

[Patrick Kirby] Yeah, I know, it’s still and still instill a lot of you that, you know, you could do that. And you’ve to just tell you have to walk back. You’re like, no, idiot, you know, this is not going to be fine.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] So it’s progress, not perfection. Yeah. Okay, I want to ask you how involved like, how much do you share? I know your kids are younger. But like, for me, part of me starting my company and starting my business and us doing it this way was because we wanted to show our kids a variety of ways that they can earn a living and ways that they can do their job. I remember my son when he was probably seven or eight, said to me, I said, Well, why don’t you go get dad for this? And he goes, because dad has a job. And I was like, Excuse me? Because like, it wasn’t like, we had to teach them that there’s different ways with which you can do stuff. And that I was like, No, I own my own company. I’m the boss. And he’s like, wait, what, like it was this big aha moment. So how much are you kind of having those conversations with your kids or kind of sharing with them what you’re doing, and kind of fostering that entrepreneurship with them, like do any of your kids kind of you think have that bug as well,

[Patrick Kirby] I you can, you can tell a little bit. Because they play, they play business or shop or whatever, you can kind of just like a boy fears they’re there, or they’re looking to monetize things, like we’re gonna make a drawing, and we’re gonna go sell it door to door and I was like, get that scaled down. Things like late in the summer, and he just went door to door and they Oh, they sold painted rocks. They just thought it was really cool, too. They put chalk and water. And they came up with some sort of paste like some sort of cavemen dwelling, and they painted rocks, they sold rocks sort of door to door and I go that sets amazing, pretty great skill. I’ll never forget, though. My oldest, once was asked for school, what their parents did for a living. And, and he said, hilariously, my dad made up a job. And now he does that.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Well, I mean, it’s not wrong.

[Patrick Kirby] But I thought it was just, it was just such a weird is such a weird way to phrase it. And I was like, but that’s really kind of how a kid was he just made it up. And now he does that. And I think that creativity, if I can steal something from from, you know, get unplugged from the matrix. And if you can do it, that’s fine. And if you don’t have the skill set, you don’t really want to do that. That’s why is way high pressure, and it’s just obnoxious most of the time, and the rewards and the hills and the valleys are so emotionally draining, and then rewarding at the same time, it does need a little consistency. So if they don’t do it, I’m never going to be mad about it. But I do love that they’re creative about explaining it. And then you can kind of see the creativity about when you do or if you have self awareness that this nine to five thing is not necessarily for everyone. I think that’s the lesson that I love that they’re learning that I’m trying my best to do so and then we’re like not missing a finger. Like that’s the other thing too. Like, I don’t want to miss stuff. Yeah. And whether unless I’m traveling, which is rare, because you can do everything virtually now. You know, I want to make sure that I hit you know guitar lessons and piano lessons and and Taekwondo and whatever else, a billion and a half things are doing so you don’t miss those stuff. Yeah, that the freedom to do this allows you to not miss stuff.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] And I think because I grew up in an entrepreneurial family, and as I’ve gotten older realized that the lessons I learned I didn’t know, were less than so like them being comfortable to like, come up with a product and go door to door and have conversation with people like that sales conversation, even though they’re not hard selling, but just that comfortableness will help them with their public speaking, which I know you’re really big about will help them with, you know, confidence and networking, like those things that we can kind of push in, like less obvious ways, more passive ways. Help them with those skills that you can’t learn in college, or you know, you or we struggle with when we get older, because we just don’t have that confidence. So I think that that’s fantastic. Do they enjoy being a part of your silly videos? Or are they at that point now where they’re like, Dad Stop?

[Patrick Kirby] No, they’re obsessed about it. My kid who I was emceeing, an event here in town, and I actually said, Hey, do you want to be a part of this? Because there was a theme where it was like a back to a future theme. So the younger me on stage and I was like, Hey, do you want to be younger? Me? He goes, Yeah. And he had stage fright for so many years. And he and he talks about that a lot. And then you again, you’ve got him playing guitar and you’ve got him playing you No banned and stuff. So he’s doing things in front of others that he would have never done if he hadn’t seen that it was kind of like, oh, no, this is fun people get to react. Now, he’s very much theatrical in the way that he loves getting a reaction, which I think that’s something we’ll have to temper down eventually. But I love the fact that he understands that when you do something as audacious as being on stage that not a lot of people do or are comfortable with. This is the this is what you get. But there’s a given a take, and, and, and again, anything that I can do to help them be comfortable, and do the things that I know are invaluable skills, regardless of whatever path they take in life. I think that’s one of the

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Yeah, well, and so before we kind of wrap these up, wrap this up with the last five questions, I want to ask you just in tandem with that with kind of, you know, seeing this happening with your kids and the creativity in their friends when they come over and all that good stuff. I feel like we’re kind of in that bubble now too, with like professionals, especially fundraisers and nonprofit executives, with so many companies, laying off workers, large companies, with so many people nervous about where they’re gonna get their sponsorship dollars from, are you seeing people stick their heads in the sand and just like kind of freak out and give up? Or are you seeing people and maybe it’s combination, people that are like, well, this is a time where we can just try anything, and let’s just be super creative and be innovative and see what happens. Like what are you seeing seeing out there?

[Patrick Kirby] It’s both and actually, the ones who are, who do get creative with any approach that they take are getting all the results, you want to have said, Okay, well, we’ll just continue on continuing on are seeing a great decline in not only just individuals participating, but individuals who are interested, because they’ve already seen it before. We’re at an interesting time, especially when you’re planning an event, you’re planning a fundraiser, you’re this window of trying something different is closing rapidly. Because people are going to want to get consistent get out in the event of a no, then they feel they love. So you got a window where you can still play around and ask for those who love what you do for their perspective and help them rather than getting into routine again. So I you see a lot of you see a lot of the head in the sand. And they’re the ones that get the most frustrated, but they’re the ones who just refused. Just take that step of curiosity to do. The ones who are really exploding are the ones who said, Okay, we know what got us here. But here’s some really fun innovative ways that we’re going to do it. And it’s going to involve a whole heck of a lot of different things rather than just one, you know, angle fundraising or event planning, etc.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] I love it have fun. It’s like supposed to be fun, like have fun, be creative.

[Patrick Kirby] It’s in the name, fundraising.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Name. Okay. Well, let’s wrap up with the five questions that we ask everybody on this podcast to give some people some additional resources. But where is your kind of go to spot for learning or personal development? Where do you who where what

[Patrick Kirby] I? Here’s? It’s it’s a weird, it’s a weird answer this any Tolkein, and any fantasy novel. So like high fantasy elves and swords and dragons and magic and stuff. I have been asked constantly, like, what books do you read and I go all pure fantasy novels, world building, it helps you tell stories, it says that you’re not confined by like, what I think that marketing book and traction means that that doesn’t, who cares? Nobody cares about that. They care about how creatively you tell a story, or creatively come up with solution. So the ones who build worlds in these these high fantasy novels and these really weird books that you’ll that are not super non like that is where I love to live. And it’s where I get the biggest inspiration for creating stuff all the time.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] So when you’re feeling stuck on something, or if you’re just feeling like a lack of motivation, or you’re just like, I can’t figure out how to solve this problem, you’ll go read The Hobbit read The Hobbit. That’s interesting. I love that because I think the opposite is true. And you’re right. Sometimes when you go just to industry books or learning books, you aren’t being creative because you’re just now reading their formula, and

[Patrick Kirby] you’re just using whatever somebody else has done before. And if you think about it from just me talking me up half the English language, he wrote a dictionary he wrote

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] I love that. Okay, um, I think we know the answer to this, but would you consider yourself an introvert or

[Patrick Kirby] an extrovert? an extrovert however, I have introvert tendencies in which I need to go and recover myself at the end of the day. Otherwise, I can’t be an extrovert.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Yeah, so like if you go to a because I know you love to speak on stage. So if you’re at like a multi day event, do you just power through for three days and then you’re just toast for like three days after that?

[Patrick Kirby] Yeah. Yeah, it’s unbelievable. Or I’ll do like back to back podcast or I’ll do it. whole event or whatever, and I will just sit in either a hotel room and just utter silence. And I will not do anything, in order to just recharge that battery to get out in front of everybody again, because I do that. When you’re a super extrovert and you’re on stage a lot, you give off a lot of energy away, and yet, every time so,

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] um, I have like, on days when I have a lot of meetings or like if I’m doing a VIP day, so I’m literally on with a client all day, like I will literally text my husband, when I get off, whether he’s working upstairs or he’s at the office. I’ve talked too much today, if I’m quiet, just like, I’ll be your I’m fine. But like I’ve already talked to you much today. Or like if I have a lot of clients that have a lot of problems. I’ll be like, I can’t make any more decisions today. You’re just gonna have to take the rain on that. It’s a perfect way to do it cannot make any more decisions today. Okay, what is one thing on your goal list this year, either personal or professional?

[Patrick Kirby] Oh, man, I am going to golf more. I promised myself for years, I was going to do that as an entrepreneur and I have not achieved that yet. So this is the year. So golfing more means not working on Friday, like once

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] a week. Okay, so Okay, got it. join a league that’ll help. It’ll make

[Patrick Kirby] you I might force myself to do that. Yeah.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] I love it. Okay, what is one piece of advice that you’ve gotten from someone that has stuck with you.

[Patrick Kirby] Never take advice from somebody who hasn’t taken the LEAP itself when you are managing business. So those everybody’s going to have a piece of advice for you. And most people who are giving you that advice have never taken the risk themselves. And that is not the advice that you should be following.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] I love that. So like, you know if they’re telling you what financial advice or strategy, but it’s not something? Well, I think we see that a lot with board members coming in making suggestions to executive directors about what to do. But there’s no you know, they it’s easy to throw that out. Because there’s no skin like, well, there is skin in the game. But like if it doesn’t work out, it’s like, well, I didn’t do it. I told you it was good. I

[Patrick Kirby] do as I tell Satan as I do. It doesn’t work, especially in business, that’s for sure.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Yep. I love that. Okay, what is a non negotiable for you and your life.

[Patrick Kirby] I will travel now before I am retired in order to enjoy the places in which I will travel to. So I’m not going to wait until I’m retired to go visit all the places that I think I want to do. I’m going to do it now. Yeah, as my father would say, I’m going to spend your inheritance now. I’m not going to spend

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] the same thing to me

[Patrick Kirby] today that spend your narratives, what do you do? Barely. You know, it’s one of those things where I, I’ve watched a lot of people who said, Well, I’d love to go and walk the steps in Greece, but I can’t come to Oregon. And I want to do that now. And I would like to do that while I’m still functional.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] So what is on your bucket list? And like what’s your top three places that you’re getting towards?

[Patrick Kirby] We will Ireland are really kind of the whole aisles over there. I’ve got to go to Japan at some point. And then probably Thailand, those are the three that I’m gonna try to me eat my way through all things.

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Take your kids to Japan so that you can take them to the new Nintendo World. They’ll love it.

[Patrick Kirby] All I want to do, but I kind of just want to go by myself and just not and that’s

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] Dad’s going away for a week on a work trip. I’ll see you later. Oh, I love it. Well, Patrick, I so appreciate your energy. And for showing up today. It’s fun to record a podcast that’s not marketing, fundraising strategy related and just kind of hanging out a bit. So I appreciate you. If people want to connect with you learn more about what you do and just hang out how do they do that?

[Patrick Kirby] [Patrick Kirby] You could find me at any social media handle at fundraising dad, or you can go to do good, better consulting.com Everything’s there. And you can connect with me and ask me any sort of questions you want to

[Sami Bedell-Mulhern] get. And we will have all of those linked up at https://easystylewithsami.com/14. Thank you so much. You’re the best. So much fun talking with Patrick. We always have great conversations. I love his energy, his style, his approach. And just the way that he supports nonprofits and shows up for them to help them raise as much money as possible. It is a passion of both of ours and so grateful. I’m thankful to have him in my circle. And now you know him too. So again, head on over to easy style with cme.com/fourteen to check out all the links, show notes, resources, all of the things that we talked about in this episode, and I hope that you were inspired or kind of picked up something that maybe you can use in your own household to figure out how you can balance your work and life a little bit better because it is something we are all aiming to do something that is a practice not perfection ever. There’s always work to be done. If you love listening to this episode, make sure you subscribe we are on all the streaming platforms and on YouTube. So you can check us out at easy style with Sami on YouTube to watch the video versions. But subscribe where you listen to new episodes come out on Thursday and leave us a review while you’re there. It helps us get in front of more people so that they can hear these amazing stories and get inspired to live their best lives. Thank you so much and I will see you in the next one.